I visited a kitchen place yesterday that do wooden bench tops and they are going to put together a design based on our draft floor plan. Not only do they do the timber bench tops, they were very happy to propose a design to us, which is great because we really have no idea what we want in terms of cupboard configuration. Our layout is quite basic – a galley kitchen – so we are really only talking about what type of cupboards to have along the wall and under the centre bench.
From Consumer Affairs Victoria: “A reasonable estimate of the cost of certain work if the builder, after making reasonable enquiries, cannot give a definite price when the contract is signed (for example, supply and installation of air conditioning).” CAV recommend avoiding these in a building contract.From HIA: Provisional Sums “are used where there is a mixture of items and labour (installation). The PS allowance is the estimated cost price for the builder to do the work (item plus labour) for the owner. The price of the PS to the owner is the actual cost price plus the builder’s margin applied to the amount by which the actual cost price exceeds the PS allowance. The owner can choose whatever work they want within the range of work contemplated by the PS description. Therefore, unlike a PC (prime cost) item, where there is a change to the scope of work, there is no need to do a variation.”
Our first attempt at designing a new home (Federation Style)
Last week we got the first draft of a design (based on our design attempt above) with one of the building companies we are exploring options with. We have paid $200 to get a floor plan design and ball park estimate done. Over the weekend we went back with our changes and questions. One of the issues that has come up is the kitchen. We (mainly “I” because I don’t like stone bench tops) want timber bench tops. This company doesn’t do them, only Caesar Stone, and this was the second occasion in which the sales person tried to talk us out of timber. Yes we know it requires maintenance, but timber is so much warmer and inviting and can look really spectacular! Its also going to be a Federation Style home, so timber fits with the style. So now we have to include the kitchen as a “provisional sum”, although we can use the same kitchen builder as the company uses, and they’ll negotiate the same rate for us. (Starting to sound dodgy here?). It got even weirder when the sales consultant who is doing the design wouldn’t give us the name of their kitchen company so we could go and look at what they do and decide whether they have the look/product/style/quality we want. So now we are researching kitchens and trying to locate kitchen companies who do timber bench tops – which is quite difficult as we keep getting told no-one wants them.
I’m still not sure how this provisional sum would work. If we go to a kitchen company and find the kitchen we want, get them to quote for supply – is the Provisional Sum an estimate for the builder to install it, or to purchase it on our behalf and install it? (plus their margin of course!)
So at the end of last year we decide to pull out the design concept and put it up on the wall to ponder and get all excited about. The plan was to get 3 extension companies to give us a proposal for a design and a ball park estimate; partly to explore our options and partly to make sure they weren’t ripping us off. I’m not sure how well that last one works because you have to tell them your budget. All our proposals have come in on our budget, but I can’t help wondering whether this is because they have come up with a design to maximise what we can get for our money or whether the ball park estimate has been padded up to our budget.We got a short list of about 6 companies from the local paper that had websites, then from their websites we chose 2. We also added in a well known extension company – “V” works for this company. V was booked to come and see us at 9am. On the day of the appointment, he called about 10 to 9 and told me he didn’t realise he had an appointment and had been watching the football (soccer) and would be there in 20 minutes. At 9.30 he finally arrived.Finally we got down to what company C could offer us. The first stage, for which V would waive the fee (1% of your budget), was to include the following:
Measure existing property
Preparation of existing conditions plan
Design proposal including plans and elevations
Preparation of computer simulated 3D image
Liaison with structural engineer
Liaison with authorities
Cost estimate
So we went ahead. V came back and measured the house, then he came back with his design. We spent about 20 minutes looking at the floor plan and 3D drawing of the back of the house and discussing the design and cost (exactly what our budget was!). There was no deck off the back of the house – not even steps out of the back doors! V said he could add a deck in for $10,000. Hubby asked what’s the next step? “We do the estimate” said V and he opened up a booklet (skipping the first page) and we went through a list of all the things we wanted included. This took sooo long that I had to put Oscar to bed. When I came back, hubby and V were discussing payment. I assumed this was the 1%, but then V asked for $15,960 dollars! I nearly fell off my chair. He then asked us to sign the front page of the booklet he had opened, it was a contract for this company to start our renovation, the $15,960 being a non-refundable payment for this company to start the detailed drawings for the renovation! The 2 drawings and verbal cost estimate were all that we were to receive as part of stage 1. If we wanted more we had to pay 7% of the verbal estimate. We weren’t prepared to do this and told him we needed time to consider the proposal and discuss it in private. He wouldn’t even leave the floor plan with us (just the 3D drawing of the back) so we could have time to think about his design. Before leaving the estimate booklet with us (to sign when we were ready) there was a piece of paper paper-clipped inside that we hadn’t been shown, which he took out.
Back view of “V”‘s proposed design
Who in their right mind would sign a contract to spend so much money on their most valuable asset, based on a 20 minute discussion and a couple of sketches? V’s company did not make it to the short list!
